How to identify underwater structures

Hello everyone, 

I have attached some images that I am assuming are google glitches. Some you may have on file - some you may not. As learned folk, can anyone please explain to me the acid test of identifyinging actual underwater megalithic structures?




I have been studying the ancient Phonecian shipping routes, complemented by translations from ancient Sumerian texts. I can't really attach my google map because it is absolutely polluted with markings and notes. I would be interested in a review of what I believe is an ancient civilization, however, it may not be suitable for a public forum because we are seeking to raise funds to embark upon an expedition. If anyone has an overwhelming interest in this field and would assist me privately there may be some good opportunity.



A great appreciation and Thank you in advance.

Hello raineduske and welcome to the forum!

Maybe the objects you are showing are not the reality. It's probably image processing artifacts that come from elevation measurements. Depending on the elevation exaggeration setting (usually 1) in Google Earth (-> Tools -> Options -> 3D -> Terrain) they will be displayed differently.

Here is an example of one of the objects (Peak.kmz):

 

Interesting the needle-like object (PeakA.kmz). It can also be seen on the surface. Probably also an aberration that Google Earth depicts as a real structure. (If the object is actually real, I would have heavy difficulty explaining it, then I would say: The Earth's axis ... )

I have already seen pyramidal structures on the ground. I think Google Earth used its algorithm to simply calculate artefacts as pyramids (to the left in example 1).

Greetings

willi1

Attachments:

PeakA.kmz (719 B)

Peak.kmz (709 B)

Danke Schoen for your reply Willi.

I understand the first 5 to be glitches, is it in your opinion the others are as well?

What do you think then about the 2 pyramids supposedly found off the coast of Florida?

...and how do I turn off the words over the stars when looking at the sky for a star map, in possible representation of the structures below?

Jun 12, 2018 19:09:59 GMT raineduske said:

What do you think then about the 2 pyramids supposedly found off the coast of Florida?

Please send the coordinates of the pyramids near Florida.

..and how do I turn off the words over the stars when looking at the sky for a star map, in possible representation of the structures below?

Please show an example of the problem, we'll see

Jun 12, 2018 19:27:24 GMT raineduske said:

...and how do I turn off the words over the stars when looking at the sky for a star map, in possible representation of the structures below?

Click >> Side Bar, its between the search bar and the push pin Icon.
The side panel will appear, make sure imagery is checked, disable everything else (current sky events).
The words over the  stars will disappear.

Jun 12, 2018 20:33:13 GMT willi1 said:

Jun 12, 2018 19:09:59 GMT raineduske said:

What do you think then about the 2 pyramids supposedly found off the coast of Florida?

Please send the coordinates of the pyramids near Florida.

..and how do I turn off the words over the stars when looking at the sky for a star map, in possible representation of the structures below?

Please show an example of the problem, we'll see

Pyramids.kmz (712 B)

Jun 14, 2018 8:33:42 GMT ET_Explorer said:

Jun 12, 2018 20:33:13 GMT willi1 said:

Please send the coordinates of the pyramids near Florida.

Please show an example of the problem, we'll see

I think it's an optical illusion and not real pyramids. The water depth is only 1 meter. An underwater view is not possible.
The "pyramids" appear 3D although it is a top view and the objects are flat.
In my opinion, the dark spots are not shadows but kelp or something similar.

But those are probably not the pyramids that raineduske has meant?

Natural geological process, just like the pyramid in antarctica.


googleearthcommunity.proboards.com/thread/3604/new-pyramid-antarctica-quite-geologists

Jun 14, 2018 8:33:42 GMT ET_Explorer said:

Jun 12, 2018 20:33:13 GMT willi1 said:

Please send the coordinates of the pyramids near Florida.

Please show an example of the problem, we'll see

Jun 14, 2018 10:48:03 GMT willi1 said:

Jun 14, 2018 8:33:42 GMT ET_Explorer said:

I think it's an optical illusion and not real pyramids. The water depth is only 1 meter. An underwater view is not possible.
The "pyramids" appear 3D although it is a top view and the objects are flat.
In my opinion, the dark spots are not shadows but kelp or something similar.

But those are probably not the pyramids that raineduske has meant?

Sorry Willi and Explorer for the slow reply. It is not lack of interest, I prefer to wait and access this site on my computer.

Yes, those are the pyramids that I heard about in December and was wondering about. (but not my pyramids). You say they are in a meter of water? ...well that says everything doesn't it...lol.
Yesterday I had plugged the apparent coordinates into google map (in the place names bar), but it would not read the coordinates. I do not have a degree symbol on my keyboard, is this why?

I know it is a stupid question but how do I plugin Coordinates to reach designated location?



I have measured my pyramids and without looking at the numbers in the database they are roughly 1000 and 2000 feet in height. The pyramid of Giza was built at 480 feet and now stands at 455 ft. I am going to see if I can load a PowerPoint presentation for you guys ok.



Thanks, I really appreciate your guys' help and response on this.

..and thank you, Explorer ...for the star information. I had attempted to apply that but perhaps I did not give it enough time, will try again. I kind of muddle through technology

Jun 14, 2018 20:08:57 GMT raineduske said:

 I do not have a degree symbol on my keyboard, is this why?

I know it is a stupid question but how do I plugin Coordinates to reach designated location?

This maybe helpful ?  GPS Coordinate Converter

Have You not ° on keyboard (strange), then use ALT-Key and  key in 167 (while pressed ALT). E.g. ALT+155 makes ø. Or use decimal format. (see picture below)

Do You mean plugin Coordinates in Google Earth ? Example: First North (-51 would be South) second East (-9 = West)

Greetings

willi1

Ho Kay boys! here are the two PowerPoint Presentations.

I had removed the most obvious glitches, and realize there can be more. This may look crazy but the images do make sense from a location and spacial perspective.

Take it easy on me now... 

[filelink type="ppt" href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1q9SbXxM0ccBbDc0uTJYOxevaPhAd2Ltf/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104895212319291608698&rtpof=true&sd=true"]PP City1-5[/filelink]

[filelink type="ppt" href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C_isexyimzl0BEbCRZYvNHHB2_NUYHp3/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104895212319291608698&rtpof=true&sd=true"]PP City 6[/filelink]

Jun 15, 2018 4:26:00 GMT raineduske said:

Ho Kay boys! here are the two PowerPoint Presentations.

Nice Presentations, raineduske !

-------------------------------

I would like to return to the description of the seabed in Google Earth, as I know from my experience with GE for more than 12 years.
Hopefully it will be reasonably understandable, my english is not that good.

Land surface imaging in GE is aerial photography of satellites (low resolution) or airplanes (high resolution). Since these aerial photographs can not yet represent any heights, additional height data determined by radar are used for each point. So you can, for example, view mountains in 3D (terrain).

The measurement of the seafloor is carried out by Bathymetry, generally by echosound of (mostly) ships (resolution at greater depths at best 50 m). You can also see in GE very well where ships have carried out the survey. These are the routes with good resolution, which look like long tracks or areas, in case the ship has been drove zigzag.
Radar in water it does not work, since only very low frequency electromagnetic waves spread in the water. Nevertheless, one uses satellite for altitude measurement.

Although these radar satellites can only reflect the water surface. Due to gravity anomalies of subsurface elevations and mountain ranges, the water level in these areas is on average a few centimeters higher than at lower points. Thus, the depth of water can be deduced by precision measurements of the mean sea level. The resolution is very rough there, at best 500 m. And I think the resolution is even worse for GE (it's not a military application, good data costs a lot, a lot of money). This is true for most of the oceans sites in GE.

For the imaging of the seabed in GE only digital elevation data are available. (No one drove the camera with a submarine through the oceans)
And in this data, there are tons of errors of all kinds. It can be due to interference to punctual height errors, but also in the depth sounder, a school of fish may appear as a difference in altitude. Certainly no one has made the (infinite) effort to find and correct such mistakes.

GE now interprets this data as a topographical relief. And also presents the measurement errors as a picture as it currently thinks (is related to its graphics algorithms, Vector graphics). As I said, it is not a real picture but a profile calculated from height specifications. A lonely mistake becomes a pyramid, a needle or something. Also, any sharp long edges are created when data of different calibration is reduced. (Incidentally, I've seen such errors on the mainland, where suddenly a pyramid sticking out of the ground, but here filled with the "normal" foto-footage, but is rare).
Shadows under water are of course complete nonsense, because at least from 60 meters there is absolute darkness.

I hope you are not too disappointed and do not be angry with me. GE sometimes tells fairytales on the bottom of a sea. And do'nt forget Occam's razor.

But that does not mean that there are no artifacts there. But GE is less suitable for discovering them.

But maybe I'm wrong too ...

Another tip, if not yet known: For exploration of the seabed in GE you should turn off the representation of the water surface in View. It's just for decoration.

Some examples in pictures (for a better view with maximum height gain 3)

So long

willi1

Attachments:

Underwater.kmz (1020 B)

Thank you Willi for the time you have taken to explain this to me. Oh, and I would consider myself, oh so lucky if my German was as bad as your English. In other words, your English is excellent!

I guess this only leaves one question then,
Is there an acid test to examine if these structures are physically there?
For instance, If I go beneath the surface and butt up against the object and it bottoms out into a ground level, then is that not a sign that it is an actual object of size and mass?

If not, is there anything else you can think of? It would be hard for me to believe this can all be glitches, especially when written history points to this area as well.

Jun 20, 2018 0:28:22 GMT raineduske said:

Is there an acid test to examine if these structures are physically there?

Unfortunately there is no possibility in Google Earth of which I would know.

For instance, If I go beneath the surface and butt up against the object and it bottoms out into a ground level, then is that not a sign that it is an actual object of size and mass?

Of course you come across a limit. But it is the limit calculated by GE, not a real object.

If not, is there anything else you can think of? It would be hard for me to believe this can all be glitches, especially when written history points to this area as well.

I'll show you something tomorrow.

cu

willi1

Jun 20, 2018 0:28:22 GMT raineduske said:

If not, is there anything else you can think of? It would be hard for me to believe this can all be glitches, especially when written history points to this area as well.

Maybe you can go in search of the crystal pyramid in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle. This glass pyramid (or more) will be held responsible for the mysterious incidents in the area. Three times the size of the Great Pyramid of Giza. And in 2000 meters depth. Look here. But I have not found any coordinates for that. Some blogs in the web show the "pyramids", which we have already declassified above.

The picture (source see link above) absolutely stinks of Photoshop. And a deep-sea submarine has only small searchlamps, no Hollywood floodlights.

First of all, I think it is pure sensationalism.
Because: The water depth in the Bermuda Triangle is 5000 meters and more. Only towards the Bahamas and Lesser Antilles 2000 meters are reached. So on the edge.

If there is such a thing you will hardly recognize it in GE only by the altitude information.
It would have to give real underwater images. As an example for size comparison, I have the Cheops pyramid as a model with even 3-times dimensions (about 700 m edge length) sunk in about 2000 m depth. And of course the model is very recognizable. You can fly through, it has not been calculated by GE.

------------------------------------------

Another example is more interesting. In 2011, the Swedish Ocean-X team (already successful in locating and salvaging ancient and other treasures from the seabed) discovered in the Baltic Sea in the Gulf of Bothnia, at 80 meters depth, a 60 meter diameter approximately circular structure called the Baltic Sea Anomaly.

Despite several dives, reconnaissance trips with diving robots and sonar tracking, is still unknown to what exactly it is. The team also reported inexplicable failures of electronic devices.
The images circulating on the web I assign as wishful thinking just to the Photoshop.

And the official video is just a computer animation. Although - the few bad shots of the diving robot that can be found, many right-angled edges show ...

The team simply lacks the necessary money for a more elaborate expedition. In addition, government agencies had come up with massive disabilities.
The coordinates were released by the team and should be at 60°49'31,4"N 19°47'37,8''E.
If you fly into GE the place you see - nothing, except blue.

By the way, the team said to the question, from the known coordinates could attract other treasure divers:

"Anyone who wants to go down there will be faced with the same big problems that we've already had, so you see, the structure is in the middle of nowhere, and to get down here and measure something you need a lot very expensive equipment. I do not think competing treasure hunters can do anything different than we've done before."

Independent from the Ocean-X team, the Finish Transport Agency scanned the object using multi-beam sonar (the simplest versions of this device cost $ 50,000-100,000).
Unfortunately you do not see a Millennium Falcon or Atlantis.

Ultimately, you can hold it like Ripley's - believe it or not.

Greetings

willi1

Postscript

And not to forget: An object underwater can be photographed practically only up to a distance of 20 meters, if you have the light source. Under water, light theoretically spreads a maximum of 60 meters (the blue part, the red is already gone after 6 meters). The visibility in good conditions is about 40 meters. Since the light from the lamp is reflected on the object and returns to the camera, this is half the visibility. Therefore, no large-scale photos of objects in the deep water possible. Guess why military submarines have no headlights ...

Attachments:

Cheops under water.kmz (29.7 KB)

Bermuda Triangle.kmz (666 B)

Thank you, Willi, I appreciate your time and effort on this thread.

Ok, how do I attach my marked google map so that you may view?

Jun 24, 2018 2:27:19 GMT raineduske said:

...how do I attach my marked google map so that you may view?

Is not difficult.
If you are in Maps at that point (for example Eiffel tower) mark the indication (is a link) in the browser window (there are also the correct coordinates after the @ included, I underlined it red) and copy them. (CTRL + C)

This information can also be very long (for example in Street View)


Include this link in your post.
1. Write text
2. Mark the part the link should be
3. Open "Insert link"
4. Copy the link and close the window

Finished

The text part that contains a link is now blue.

Complete your post.
In your post you can now click on the blue text and Google Maps will automatically open at the desired position.

See in Google Maps

Google Earth makes it easier to create a placemark and save it on Your PC.
Hang her as an attachment to your contribution.
It is also easy to copy out coordinates in GE. Select "Edit", then "Copy view address" or CTRL + Shift + C. Then you have the coordinates in the cache and You can paste it anywhere. (If You not will a KMZ create)

Looks like this:   48°51'24.92" N 2°17'16.90" O

Try it !

I don't know if this worked Willi.

If it did please view all 7 P's
then go to the second link and explore the entire X

....If not I will try again.



google maps

google maps

link


link

hmmmm...

when I said google map I did mean the map on google earth.

I am missing a step somewhere (hang her as an attachment to contribution perhaps?) not sure of that meaning... ah

The mistake is a "circular reference", raineduske. You linked this page again of this page.

How You can create a placemark (PM) in GE see here

An example (sorry, German version)

Are You on the location (here e.g. The Tower Bridge of London) where You'll create a PM then:
Make on Your PC a folder for Your placemarks.

1. Click with left mousebutton the Pin-Button ( a window for PM will open)
2. Give the PM a name an click on ok
3. The named PM appears at "my places"
4. Go with mouse on this PM and press right mousebutton. A windows appears. Select "Save place as ..." with left mousebutton.

Now You can insert this PM in Your post.
5. Click on "Add Attachment" A windows appears.
6. Select the folder like above and select the PM (or more, also pictures) You wish and click on "save".

Done. (The attachment is invisible, but You see now "Edit Attachment", maybe You'll delete attachments)

After create post are the attachment visible.

Attachments for picture You have already successfully made.

I hope was helpfully.

I'm looking forward to Your Placemarks!

Attachments:

Tower Bridge London.kmz (707 B)

Thanks Willi! I believe that I have succeeded!?


p6 - please search and examine a total of 7 P's.

pX - please examine the entire X formation.

p6.kmz (776 B)pX.kmz (774 B)

Not sure if I like the exposure. I am looking forward to your reply very soon.

Jun 27, 2018 18:58:57 GMT raineduske said:

 I believe that I have succeeded!?

Everything was well done ! I'll answer tomorrow to your placemarks, now the bed is calling.

In the meantime listen to this once.

I looked at the Placemarks. For better representation, I have chosen the height gain 3.

p6 is a real underwater hill ø 400-500 m. Above this is wrong height information, so GE constructs a polyhedron from it. Good to see the generated surfaces in homogeneous color. GE uses different shades to create a sculptural impression. But the smooth object is not real. Good to see the "patched" polyhedron on the hill.

p6                                                                                                                       The tip of p6, seen vertically from above

px is in a track of a sonar ship. Probably the ship followed the hotspots of a small Mantelplume and thereby made many measurement errors.
Hotspots are places where the mantle is particularly hot and rising, molten rock burns like a cutting torch through the solid crustal parts. Lying under the thin oceanic crust, these hotspots often form whole chains of volcanic islands as the crust, driven by plate tectonics, moves across the hotspot. Over time (millions of years), it then drills a number of different ancient volcanic vents and sizes into them - a typical example of a large plume for this are the islands of Hawaii.
The area around the Bermudas belongs to such a Plumen area.
For the individual polyhedra see p6.

As an another example, a single pyramid near p6.
If one approaches (somewhat difficult) perpendicular to the tip of such an object, one sees how GE represents the surfaces of the polyhedron.
The olive colored parts are, in my opinion, the points of measurement errors. There, the altitude change in GE changes drastically.
This could possibly be an acid test for fake objects. If the tip can be broken down into polygons than be skeptical.

Yes I know. That's disillusioning.
Maybe there is a real expert who can correct or confirm me. I'm only a normally GE-user, but with more than 12 years experience. It's just therefore my opinion of the objects.

Conclusion:
Found on seafloor you a pie,
don't believe.
Google Earth tells lie

Greetings
willi1

Attachments:

Simple Peak.kmz (790 B)

Thank you very much, Willi, for your time on this.


What do you think about the second link where it takes you to the X diagram?