Mississippi embayment... [...and comet c/1811f1...]

center point of the embayment  Hello,

     My research concerns terrestrial impact cratering processes... I am hoping you may have a moment to go through some of my findings?- www.linkedin.com/pulse/phaulty-fysics-shock-dynamics-impact-mechanics-devolution-tony-hood
    
     I would like to concentrate more on what had occurred on December 16th, 1811, and the close passing of a sungrazer comet, c/1811f1, which was seen first in March 1811, lost sight of in mid-June, reappeared in late August, and appeared to the general public, in October 1811, as being fifty percent larger than the Sun... William Hershel sees the tail becoming much shorter in early November, as it is coming toward him? ...and {I believe-] this comet passed in front of Earth in late November/early December leaving a trail of debris, producing a serial impact, with one meteor impacting, on December 16, 1811, with enough force to re-structure the entire Mississippi river valley...
     ...see the impactites at- 1811 a comet and a quake 
     ...article containing crater's coordinates, see- an extraterrestrial origin for the upland formation of the Mississippi embayment 
     ...one of the many [enjoyable] discussions-  Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw 
 

     I understand that this version is entirely different from what has been taught, and I am hoping you have an open mind, try to alleviate the confirmation bias, and study this from this perspective... What had actually occurred is a much more wondrous story, that sheds light on an entirely different past, in a place of forgotten technologies, misunderstood science, and a lost history, just waiting to be explored, with only the relics remaining, the echoes of a distant time...


     

   

Please supply a kml file. Also I would prefer you to publish the information here rather than  links, we are secure and spam free, I cannot allow members to go offsite incase.

see linkedin post- 

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AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORIGIN FOR

THE UPLAND FORMATION OF THE

MISSISSIPPI EMBAYMENT

Tony Hood

This is an investigation into findings that suggest a meteor from a serial impact off the dust tail of Comet C/1811 F1 was

the initial mechanism to cause the New Madrid earthquakes of 1811-1812.



There is a central, semi-circular structure in northeastern Marshall county, Mississippi, extending partly into Tennessee,

which every line in the topography emanates out from in a shockwave pattern. On the northwest face and near mid-basin,

there is a central rebound peak where numerous unusual rocks were found with all aspects of impactites and meteorites

with fusion crust, the appearance of nanodiamonds and shocked quartz.



Currently the evidence consists of the original accounts, newspaper articles, astronomers observations, impactites [rocks],

dendrology, scientific data, immediate topography and satellite views.



On satellite, with the upper embayment in view, draw a line down the middle of the New Madrid bend to where the

impactites were found in North Slayden, Mississippi. Notice the design in the terrain showing angle, direction and force

of impact.



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Coordinates : 34* 58’ 31.38” x 89* 24”17.15”... should take you to a small field near mid-basin. From this point pan out

to Mill Pond and Mill Pond Road, just where it meets with Early Grove Road follows the circular terrain of the inner

basin. Just to the east of Early Grove rd. is a white sand creek [Early Grove creek]. Follow this northward, over the

Tennessee state line, upward passed the Wolf river bottoms, through a tree line to the west and back down, to the other

side and passed the western side of the impression. This is the first in a series of shockwaves, reverberates out many times

to the edge of, and shows the same design as the outer shape of the embayment. Pan out, following each river to the north,
[the Hatchie River, Wolf River, Loosahathie River,…] shows the larger waves from a shock pattern that extends out to

The Tennessee River on the east passed The St. Francis River on the west.



Below this structure the terrain runs from east to west and is where the land was pulled northward to produce large

chasms that were later blocked by earthen dams to form lakes, [such as Arkabutla, Sardis and Enid]. All the semi-circular

fractures throughout Eastern Arkansas and sand blows encircle this structure. The crater has been subjected to extensive

amounts of erosion, foliage growth and development, mostly because of being in such a fertile river valley. Once this is

removed, all lines in the topography surround and point to this central location.



Reading the original accounts gives better understanding of what was actually witnessed. There were many to see

meteoric lights before, during and after the first earthquake as far as Savannah Georgia, [way too far to be any naturally

occurring earthquake lights]. Many to believe the comet had went down in the Ohio river or had touched the mountains

of California. Lights were seen so bright that, at two-thirty in the morning a needle could be seen on the floor…

The astronomers observations agree. The comet was seen as fifty percent larger than the Sun in October of 1811 and

William Herschel reported the comet’s tail becoming significantly shorter in November as it was coming toward him.

Comet C/1811 F1 must have been a Sungrazer comet as it wasn’t seen from mid-June 1811 until the latter part of August

1811, which gives it the approximate amount of time for it to travel around the Sun, breaking it apart and then to pass in

front of Earth, leaving a trail of debris and, as the planet revolved through a meteoroid filled dust tail for over a month

caused several meteors to impact, one large enough to reshape the entire Mississippi river valley. On this same day,

December 16, 1811, Caracas, Venezuela was also destroyed. Find accounts of the many disasters associated with the close

passing of a comet at “Travels to the equinoctial regions of America”, chapter 14, by Alexander Von Humboldt, as this

was more than seismic activity throughout the central United States but was a global catastrophe.



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Crater coordinates:

Northern rim- 35* 00’ 17.25”N x 89* 24’ 27.52”W

Southern rim- 34* 58’ 3.25”N x 89* 24’ 22.25”W

Eastern rim- 34* 59’ 11.27”N x 89* 22’ 55.96”W

Western rim- 34* 59’ 15.18”N x 89* 25’ 45.75”W

White sand creek [first in a series of shock waves]-

West- 34* 58’ 28.86”N x 89* 26’ 16.50”W

Northwest- 35* 01’ 59.99”N x 89* 24’ 25.09”W

Northeast- 35* 01’ 05.53”N x 89* 22’ 37.80”W

East- 34* 58’ 17.95”N x 89* 22’ 37.80”W

Approximate crater diameter- 4.25 kilometers or 2.64 miles





REFERENCES

[1] “Travels to the equinoctial regions of America”, Alexander Von Humboldt, Chapter 14

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/humbol ... ter14.html

[2] “1811-12 New Madrid earthquakes, a NEO Connection” www.datasync.com/~rsf1/1811.htm

[3] “A detailed narrative of the earthquakes which occurred on the 16th day of December, 1811”

Samuel L. Mitchill , transcriptions and notes Susan E. Hough pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/mitchill.html

[4] New Madrid newspapers, The Messenger, February 28, 1811 www.hsv.com /genlintr/newmadrd

/newspapers/The_Messenger-Feb_28_1811.jpg fourth column near the top “…the comet appeared hazy an dim…”

[5] Eyewitnesses to Mississippi river earthquake terror, Susan E. Hough www.showme.net /~ fkeller

/quake/lib/eyewitness1.htm

[6] C/1811 F1 [Great Comet], Gary W. Kronk’s Cometography www.cometography.com/lcomets/1811f1.html

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[7] “Panther across the sky- Tecumseh and the New Madrid earthquake”, David Yarrow www.ratical.org

/ratville/Tecumseh.html

[8] “New Madrid, first steamboat, quakes, comet”, William L. Pierce www.showme.net /~fkeller /quake

/lib/roosevelt.htm

[9] “Newspaper accounts of the new Madrid earthquakes”, Rootsweb, Don E. Wright www.rootsweb.ancestry.com

/~monewmad/nm-history/paper-5.htm

[10] Charleston S.C. Courier newspaper, Dec. 29-30, 1811 www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/savannah.htm

[11] USGS, Historic earthquakes, “New Madrid 1811-1812 earthquakes” U.S. Geological Survey http:// earthquake

.usgs.gov /earthquakes/states/events/1811_overview.php

[12] “Model for the tectonic evolution of the Mississippi embayment and its contemporary seismicity” M.F. Kane, T.G.

HildenbrandJ.D.Hendrickhttp://geology.geoscienceworld. ... ttp:/www.s cience direct.

Com /science/article/pii/S0264370702000194

APPENDIX - A

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...and here's an article published in "The South Reporter"-
A most amazing piece of lost history, this evidence will show that a meteor impact was the cause of the New Madrid earthquakes of 1811-1812...



There were many strange events during these years. A great comet appeared in the sky in March 1811, disappeared in June to late August and when reappeared was seen as one and a half times the size of the Sun in October. Observations saw the comet coming toward Earth and as it passed in front of the planet in late November/early December leaving a trail of debris, produced a serial impact, causing earthquakes, eruptions, extreme weather conditions and many disasters. Thousands of small meteors, made mainly of only ice and sand hit the eastern coast of the United States forming the Carolina bays, near this same moment in time Caracas, Venezuela had a major earthquake, killing many thousands and on December 16, 1811 at two-thirty in the morning, a meteor impacted northeastern Mississippi and was large enough to reshape the entire river valley...



As this meteor was directed toward New Madrid , Missouri and was too far away to see the impact and happened at night, it was misunderstood as an earthquake, yet there were many accounts of meteoric lights across the skies, prior to the quake, some as far away as Savannah, Georgia, way too far to see any kind of naturally occurring earthquake lights, black smoke, smells of sulfur, explosions and even rocks sounding as if "boiling and popping" Many stated they thought the comet had went down in the Ohio river or had "touched the mountain of California". In one account a man in Louisville, Kentucky said it was so bright, at two-thirty in the morning, that he could see a needle on the floor. In fact there are many historical accounts and stories describing a meteor impact.



Though this information has been misunderstood by the misconceptions and the superstitions of a more primitive time, the evidence is now coming out. Not only the historical accounts but scientific and observational data, impactites [rocks] and all the satellite views agree and now, just recently, the impact site has been discovered. Just at the top of northeastern Marshall county, Mississippi and extending partly into Tennessee there is a circular structure, a central concave impression, which every hill in the valley emanates out from in a shockwave pattern. About a three mile diameter crater, near the middle there is a central rebound peak with many canyons and creeks running out from containing several spherule beds. Many unusual rocks were found with every aspect in appearance to impactites, meteorites and melt rock of all sorts. These rocks are from a meteor coming from the close passing of a comet and are among the rarest ever found...



...For further study, read the book "Travels to the equinoctial regions of America", chapter 14, by Alexander Von Humboldt, ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/humbol ... ter14.html which has excellent accounts of the many disasters which occurred at this same moment in time and in the same area. This was much more than just a seismic event in the central United States, but a global catastrophe... The close passing of this sungrazer comet c/1811 f1 was the cause of the mini ice age from 1811-1817, the cause of the many quakes and eruptions including Mt. Tambora in 1815, "the year without a summer, 1816" and resulted in major climate change. It is a fact that temperatures have been rising ever since these events and the passing of this comet...



This is an invitation to further investigate and explore a great amount of lost history and misunderstood science in hopes that all will learn from these past events, to be better prepared and be able to mitigate the effects from such a future occurrence...



Start the adventure and get the book- "Kalopins Legacy 1811 a comet and a quake"



[the above is an excerpt from "Museum receives Meteorites" on page 16-section 1 of "The South Reporter" Thursday, October 2, 2015

...and, by the time you all finish studying, and understanding the accuracy of these findings, you will also understand that what is "sentient" ,a feeling, belief, assumption,... is what all is currently being taught concerning these events, and that this is the actual geology, science, history,... and what had actually occurred... It is, not only misinterpretation and mistranslation, but superstition and plane ignorance, that has allowed curriculum to teach beliefs as if they were fact, and to force delusion, to teach, learn, pay-for, be graded on,... a "mistake"?...that has now become a lie!   This was verified by Susan Hough of USGS, in March 2011, and has since been purposely ignored, rejected, marginalized,... for reasons, I guess you can imagine?$?


     This is only a fight for the truth!...will you join?

I have a few questions and criticisms about your claims, Kalopin. Here are a few of them.

Consider this: Meteor Crater in Arizona is 50 000 years old, and therefore (if it really did form in the 19th century) about 250 times older than the formation you discuss. It is also smaller, at just 1.2 km in diameter, compared to the 4.2 km you claim. Yet Meteor Crater is unmistakably a crater, unlike the Mississippi Valley formation. If the Mississippi Valley formation is 4 km across and only 200 years old, why isn't it obvious? I find it hard to believe that the higher precipitation in the Mississippi Valley (compared to Arizona) would be enough to erode the crater into near-unnoticeability in just 200 years.

You claim that the New Madrid earthquake was caused by the comet. In fact, there is a natural fault there that predates the 1811 quake. This paper discusses ancient earthquakes in the Mississippi Valley: srl.geoscienceworld.org/content/76/4/489

since been purposely ignored, rejected, marginalized,... for reasons, I guess you can imagine?$?

Oh dear.

Sept 1, 2017 4:42:28 GMT kalopin said:

center point of the embayment  Hello,

     My research concerns terrestrial impact cratering processes... I am hoping you may have a moment to go through some of my findings?- www.linkedin.com/pulse/phaulty-fysics-shock-dynamics-impact-mechanics-devolution-tony-hood
    
     I would like to concentrate more on what had occurred on December 16th, 1811, and the close passing of a sungrazer comet, c/1811f1, which was seen first in March 1811, lost sight of in mid-June, reappeared in late August, and appeared to the general public, in October 1811, as being fifty percent larger than the Sun... William Hershel sees the tail becoming much shorter in early November, as it is coming toward him? ...and {I believe-] this comet passed in front of Earth in late November/early December leaving a trail of debris, producing a serial impact, with one meteor impacting, on December 16, 1811, with enough force to re-structure the entire Mississippi river valley...
     ...see the impactites at- 1811 a comet and a quake 
     ...article containing crater's coordinates, see- an extraterrestrial origin for the upland formation of the Mississippi embayment 
     ...one of the many [enjoyable] discussions-  Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw 
 

     I understand that this version is entirely different from what has been taught, and I am hoping you have an open mind, try to alleviate the confirmation bias, and study this from this perspective... What had actually occurred is a much more wondrous story, that sheds light on an entirely different past, in a place of forgotten technologies, misunderstood science, and a lost history, just waiting to be explored, with only the relics remaining, the echoes of a distant time...


     

   

Here is the real story of "C/1811 F1 (Great Comet)" which doesn't mention of it impacting Earth, as you claim it did.


Source

Sept 2, 2017 4:30:46 GMT bluesky said:

I have a few questions and criticisms about your claims, Kalopin. Here are a few of them.

Consider this: Meteor Crater in Arizona is 50 000 years old, and therefore (if it really did form in the 19th century) about 250 times older than the formation you discuss. It is also smaller, at just 1.2 km in diameter, compared to the 4.2 km you claim. Yet Meteor Crater is unmistakably a crater, unlike the Mississippi Valley formation. If the Mississippi Valley formation is 4 km across and only 200 years old, why isn't it obvious? I find it hard to believe that the higher precipitation in the Mississippi Valley (compared to Arizona) would be enough to erode the crater into near-unnoticeability in just 200 years.

You claim that the New Madrid earthquake was caused by the comet. In fact, there is a natural fault there that predates the 1811 quake. This paper discusses ancient earthquakes in the Mississippi Valley: srl.geoscienceworld.org/content/76/4/489

since been purposely ignored, rejected, marginalized,... for reasons, I guess you can imagine?$?

Oh dear.

...yes, the dating process, as well as understandings within impact physics, is badly flawed...
That is why I am asking for your review on my research, please go over every detail, [discussion, link,...]
The entire north American continent was blanketed with temps exceeding 2200*C, just 13kya, at the YDB... and is the reason for the devolution...
[...once you go through all these findings and see every detail, I believe, you will understand that what had actually occurred is a much better story, one that , I believe, should be taught, and passed down?]
...it was a meteor [and no, not the entire comet] that caused a surface wave pattern, on Dec.16, 1811, not faults beneath hundreds feet of soft sediments...
...yes, the faults were formed, along with the deep crease in the tectonic plate, 13kya, at the YDB, from the pressure and force of the Moon impacting the Tethys sea...
[-;..."Oh dear"- indeed...!;-]

Sept 2, 2017 7:16:16 GMT ET_Explorer said:

Sept 1, 2017 4:42:28 GMT kalopin said:

center point of the embayment  Hello,

     My research concerns terrestrial impact cratering processes... I am hoping you may have a moment to go through some of my findings?- www.linkedin.com/pulse/phaulty-fysics-shock-dynamics-impact-mechanics-devolution-tony-hood
    
     I would like to concentrate more on what had occurred on December 16th, 1811, and the close passing of a sungrazer comet, c/1811f1, which was seen first in March 1811, lost sight of in mid-June, reappeared in late August, and appeared to the general public, in October 1811, as being fifty percent larger than the Sun... William Hershel sees the tail becoming much shorter in early November, as it is coming toward him? ...and {I believe-] this comet passed in front of Earth in late November/early December leaving a trail of debris, producing a serial impact, with one meteor impacting, on December 16, 1811, with enough force to re-structure the entire Mississippi river valley...
     ...see the impactites at- 1811 a comet and a quake 
     ...article containing crater's coordinates, see- an extraterrestrial origin for the upland formation of the Mississippi embayment 
     ...one of the many [enjoyable] discussions-  Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw 
 

     I understand that this version is entirely different from what has been taught, and I am hoping you have an open mind, try to alleviate the confirmation bias, and study this from this perspective... What had actually occurred is a much more wondrous story, that sheds light on an entirely different past, in a place of forgotten technologies, misunderstood science, and a lost history, just waiting to be explored, with only the relics remaining, the echoes of a distant time...


     

   

Here is the real story of "C/1811 F1 (Great Comet)" which doesn't mention of it impacting Earth, as you claim it did.


Source

...have you ever seen ab object in the sky "one and a half times" the size of the Sun, and be at such a distance? ...the natives have all kinds of legends and stories describing the impact, but weren't listened to... the historical accounts, just about every one, mentions meteoric activity, from as far as Savannah, Georgia...
...once you go over the accounts, study the rocks closely, the heat and pressure that had to have been involved... and then, study closely the point where the impactites were found, study each line in detail, from the center-point marked...

...there are many intricacies and variables within an impact, one on an ocean is totally different than one in a desert... this one [1811] was in one of the coldest winters, with a meteor coming from a comet, lots of ice and sand, and impacting on a river valley, on top of a massive aquifer system, the Artesian wells, greatly affecting the outcome, as it had pushed a massive tidal/tsunami type wave, and caused liquefaction throughout the embayment, sending a massive shockwave outward from point of impact, which, along with the initial explosive impact, that must have vaporized quite a bit, instantly erased the lives of many thousands of the native tribes in the area, mainly the Chickasaw... [which is an amazing story on its own, check it out!;-]

Sept 3, 2017 1:11:14 GMT kalopin said:

Sept 2, 2017 7:16:16 GMT ET_Explorer said:

Here is the real story of "C/1811 F1 (Great Comet)" which doesn't mention of it impacting Earth, as you claim it did.


Source

...have you ever seen ab object in the sky "one and a half times" the size of the Sun, and be at such a distance? ...the natives have all kinds of legends and stories describing the impact, but weren't listened to... the historical accounts, just about every one, mentions meteoric activity, from as far as Savannah, Georgia...
...once you go over the accounts, study the rocks closely, the heat and pressure that had to have been involved... and then, study closely the point where the impactites were found, study each line in detail, from the center-point marked...

...there are many intricacies and variables within an impact, one on an ocean is totally different than one in a desert... this one [1811] was in one of the coldest winters, with a meteor coming from a comet, lots of ice and sand, and impacting on a river valley, on top of a massive aquifer system, the Artesian wells, greatly affecting the outcome, as it had pushed a massive tidal/tsunami type wave, and caused liquefaction throughout the embayment, sending a massive shockwave outward from point of impact, which, along with the initial explosive impact, that must have vaporized quite a bit, instantly erased the lives of many thousands of the native tribes in the area, mainly the Chickasaw... [which is an amazing story on its own, check it out!;-]

The crater that you claim was the result of C/1811 F1 (Great Comet) has no connection with The Panther Mountain Crater >> Source << Because the C/1811 F1 (Great Comet) is still in space and not impacted on Earth.

According to wikipedia : The Great Comet of 1811, formally designated C/1811 F1, is a comet that was visible to the naked eye for around 260 days.  The comet was discovered March 25, 1811 by Honoré Flaugergues at 2.7 AU from the Sun in the now-defunct constellation of Argo Navis. Orbital period ~3096 yr.

>> Wikipedia <<

Hello, Kalopin,

...yes, the dating process, as well as understandings within impact physics, is badly flawed...

So you're claiming that the dating of Meteor Crater is incorrect? Why do you think so?

The following paper uses radioisotope dating to confirm that Meteor Crater is indeed 50 000 years old:

alliance.la.asu.edu/dorn/Phillipsetal91.pdf

...it was a meteor [and no, not the entire comet] that caused a surface wave pattern, on Dec.16, 1811, not faults beneath hundreds feet of soft sediments...

So your hypothesis is that it's just a coincidence that the area that was hit by the meteor was also previously seismically active? Hypotheses that heavily depend on coincidence can be true but usually aren't.

...yes, the faults were formed, along with the deep crease in the tectonic plate, 13kya, at the YDB, from the pressure and force of the Moon impacting the Tethys sea...

The Tethys Sea did not exist 13 000 years ago, or even 1 million years ago. Also, what do you mean by "impacting"?

Sept 3, 2017 4:57:31 GMT kalopin said:

"...The crater that you claim was the result of C/1811 F1 (Great Comet) has no connection with The Panther Mountain Crater
..." ...who said it did? [well, the Carolina bays were formed from this serial impact in 1811 as well, so, could be?, but there were so many impacts, just in the last few thousand years, needs much further investigation, [could have been from the comet 10.5kya?]

"...Because the C/1811 F1 (Great Comet) is still in space and not impacted on Earth.
.." ...it was a meteor coming from the debris trail, as the sungrazer comet passed...

"...visible to the naked eye for around 260 days..." ...now, think about this statement, and how the general public viewed the comet as being fifty percent lager than the Sun...
...comet's distance and Richter scale are later estimates, and are wrong...for an object to be so large and at such a distance, 1.1au
, would have disrupted the entire solar system...

...comets are very misunderstood, they come in from outside the solar system, not from the Oort cloud, there are no long period orbits, unless one is thrown out in front, they travel against the solar wind, forcing out pressure waves full of charged particles, at subsonic frequencies, and, if large and close enough, especially a sungrazer, can disrupt the magnetosphere, sending vibrations through tectonic plates, causing eruptions, earthquakes, strange weather,... and can perturb the penial gland causing erratic behavior, is what just occurred with Swift-Tuttle, [Antifa], occurred in 2011, with Elenin, Lovejoy,...2012, with Swann [Occupy]...and just found some more plague in Arizona...


"...So you're claiming that the dating of Meteor Crater is incorrect? Why do you think so?
..." ...because, 13kya at the YDB, over four continents were covered with temperature exceeding 2200*C...and there is an entire city buried on the Yucatan, beneath limestone, the same limestone to form the Ozarks, and was ejected from where the Mediterranean is, and what formed the wrinkle in the plate, the Mississippi embayment...

"...So your hypothesis is that it's just a coincidence that the area that was hit by the meteor was also previously seismically active? Hypotheses that heavily depend on coincidence can be true but usually aren't..." ...the faults were formed 13kya and are not active... [intraplate] study Seth Stein's research, he put the fault on GPS, didn't move but few millimeters in over a years time, during that period there were many earthquakes recorded on the register of 3-4 on the Richter, upper sediments are filling in chasms?, internal ;landslides?, the Loosahatchie, not only a hundred years ago was wide enough for two riverboats to pass and is now very thin, the land is settling southward...

"...The Tethys Sea did not exist 13 000 years ago, or even 1 million years ago. Also, what do you mean by "impacting"?..."
[...this is the "confirmation bias" I speak of...] the Tethys covered a large portion of Pangaea, during the Pleistocene, yes, Pangaea was intact just over 13kya, as the proof is everywhere, all the buried cities tell the story, beneath the bay of Cambay, off the coast of Japan, in the Caribbean and Gulf, all those covered in places like Bosnia and China... all over the planet, there is absolute proof... you know all the perfectly round stone balls, found on the beaches of New Zealand, Costa Rica, Bosnia,... well, they all have quartz crystals within, they are not sedimentary, or man-made [or volcanic] but are, in fact impact spherules/impactites from the YDB, 13kya... [proof, just waiting to be understood,... , what I mean by "impacting" is- the Moon HIT the Earth, 13kya!,...welcome to our real past!...   :-]

Sept 3, 2017 5:25:08 GMT kalopin said:

Sept 3, 2017 4:57:31 GMT kalopin said:

"...The crater that you claim was the result of C/1811 F1 (Great Comet) has no connection with The Panther Mountain Crater
..." ...who said it did? [well, the Carolina bays were formed from this serial impact in 1811 as well, so, could be?, but there were so many impacts, just in the last few thousand years, needs much further investigation, [could have been from the comet 10.5kya?]

"...Because the C/1811 F1 (Great Comet) is still in space and not impacted on Earth.
.." ...it was a meteor coming from the debris trail, as the sungrazer comet passed...

"...visible to the naked eye for around 260 days..." ...now, think about this statement, and how the general public viewed the comet as being fifty percent lager than the Sun...
...comet's distance and Richter scale are later estimates, and are wrong...for an object to be so large and at such a distance, 1.1au
, would have disrupted the entire solar system...

...comets are very misunderstood, they come in from outside the solar system, not from the Oort cloud, there are no long period orbits, unless one is thrown out in front, they travel against the solar wind, forcing out pressure waves full of charged particles, at subsonic frequencies, and, if large and close enough, especially a sungrazer, can disrupt the magnetosphere, sending vibrations through tectonic plates, causing eruptions, earthquakes, strange weather,... and can perturb the penial gland causing erratic behavior, is what just occurred with Swift-Tuttle, [Antifa], occurred in 2011, with Elenin, Lovejoy,...2012, with Swann [Occupy]...and just found some more plague in Arizona...


"...So you're claiming that the dating of Meteor Crater is incorrect? Why do you think so?
..." ...because, 13kya at the YDB, over four continents were covered with temperature exceeding 2200*C...and there is an entire city buried on the Yucatan, beneath limestone, the same limestone to form the Ozarks, and was ejected from where the Mediterranean is, and what formed the wrinkle in the plate, the Mississippi embayment...

"...So your hypothesis is that it's just a coincidence that the area that was hit by the meteor was also previously seismically active? Hypotheses that heavily depend on coincidence can be true but usually aren't..." ...the faults were formed 13kya and are not active... [intraplate] study Seth Stein's research, he put the fault on GPS, didn't move but few millimeters in over a years time, during that period there were many earthquakes recorded on the register of 3-4 on the Richter, upper sediments are filling in chasms?, internal ;landslides?, the Loosahatchie, not only a hundred years ago was wide enough for two riverboats to pass and is now very thin, the land is settling southward...

"...The Tethys Sea did not exist 13 000 years ago, or even 1 million years ago. Also, what do you mean by "impacting"?..."
[...this is the "confirmation bias" I speak of...] the Tethys covered a large portion of Pangaea, during the Pleistocene, yes, Pangaea was intact just over 13kya, as the proof is everywhere, all the buried cities tell the story, beneath the bay of Cambay, off the coast of Japan, in the Caribbean and Gulf, all those covered in places like Bosnia and China... all over the planet, there is absolute proof... you know all the perfectly round stone balls, found on the beaches of New Zealand, Costa Rica, Bosnia,... well, they all have quartz crystals within, they are not sedimentary, or man-made [or volcanic] but are, in fact impact spherules/impactites from the YDB, 13kya... [proof, just waiting to be understood,... , what I mean by "impacting" is- the Moon HIT the Earth, 13kya!,...welcome to our real past!...   :-]

You stated " Carolina bays were formed from this serial impact in 1811
"?

According to this paragraphs "Although some questions about their chronology remain a matter of discussion, a variety of dating techniques constrained the age of the Carolina bays. The consideration of multiple lines of evidence, e.g. radiocarbon dating, optically stimulated luminescence dating, and palynology, indicate that the Carolina Bays predate the start of the Holocene at least by tens of thousands of years to over a hundred thousand years. The range of dates can be interpreted that they were either created episodically over the last tens of thousands of years or were created at time over a hundred thousand years ago and have since been episodically modified"

Source 

Theories of the origin of the Carolina bays fall into two major categories: that these features were created by forces within the Earth, or that they were gouged by an astronomical event or set of events.

Source 

The Holocene was way before 1811, therefore Carolina Bays weren't formed in 1811.

Sept 3, 2017 15:46:56 GMT ET_Explorer said:

Sept 3, 2017 5:25:08 GMT kalopin said:

You stated " Carolina bays were formed from this serial impact in 1811
"?

According to this paragraphs "Although some questions about their chronology remain a matter of discussion, a variety of dating techniques constrained the age of the Carolina bays. The consideration of multiple lines of evidence, e.g. radiocarbon dating, optically stimulated luminescence dating, and palynology, indicate that the Carolina Bays predate the start of the Holocene at least by tens of thousands of years to over a hundred thousand years. The range of dates can be interpreted that they were either created episodically over the last tens of thousands of years or were created at time over a hundred thousand years ago and have since been episodically modified"

Source 

Theories of the origin of the Carolina bays fall into two major categories: that these features were created by forces within the Earth, or that they were gouged by an astronomical event or set of events.

Source 

The Holocene was way before 1811, therefore Carolina Bays weren't formed in 1811.

[this is where I ask you to put on your own thinkin" cap-]
...Do you really believe that thousands of elliptical impressions, all in the same direction, would be caused by wind eddies and/or lightning? ...do you believe that all these craters would last for thousands of years, on a coastline, in very fertile land, where they even had to stop the farmers from plowing through them? ...do you think that this land may have been used for agriculture prior to the impacts?
...and, if you delve into the historical accounts, many people saw, and Captain Robert Alexander [of Lincoln, North Carolina] reported seeing several extremely large fires in the air, in November 1811, in fact there were reports of meteoric lights from everywhere at the time, go through the accounts....

...the reason no meteoric material was found in or near [most] the craters, is because the meteors were nothing but ice and sand, from a comet, impacting on frozen ground, instant, steamy, lakes...this is all described in the historical accounts, all the geological information adds up, and this is the only incident available with enough destruction to explain the formation...

...what you will find in textbooks is assumption made to look as if it has been proven, with no room for uncertainty... this is not the way to do science... they have dictated a belief, and are unwilling to question their illogical result...and this is just the Carolina bays... this comet [c/1811f1] caused a major environmental downturn, not just many eruptions, earthquakes, weird weather, wars, plagues, but eventually caused the eruption of Mt. Tambora, in 1815, caused the year without a summer, 1816, and a mini-ice age from 1811-1817... ...and all this has been lost in time, from such a primitive science...

...and, the Holocene impact event was caused by the Moon impacting the Tethys, this is what formed most all the topography in the lower forty-eight, so, there would be no way for these little impressions to be a part of such a massive encounter, and, although it is true a comet hit the Hudson bay 10.5kya, ending the Clovis, emptying out lake Agassiz, causing further sea-level rise, more extinction, loss of more technologies, science, history,... I believe that the land is too prone to the effects of erosion for the craters to have lasted for thousands of years, so, little debate?... ;-]

Sept 3, 2017 17:01:56 GMT kalopin said:

Sept 3, 2017 15:46:56 GMT ET_Explorer said:

You stated " Carolina bays were formed from this serial impact in 1811
"?

According to this paragraphs "Although some questions about their chronology remain a matter of discussion, a variety of dating techniques constrained the age of the Carolina bays. The consideration of multiple lines of evidence, e.g. radiocarbon dating, optically stimulated luminescence dating, and palynology, indicate that the Carolina Bays predate the start of the Holocene at least by tens of thousands of years to over a hundred thousand years. The range of dates can be interpreted that they were either created episodically over the last tens of thousands of years or were created at time over a hundred thousand years ago and have since been episodically modified"

Source 

Theories of the origin of the Carolina bays fall into two major categories: that these features were created by forces within the Earth, or that they were gouged by an astronomical event or set of events.

Source 

The Holocene was way before 1811, therefore Carolina Bays weren't formed in 1811.

[this is where I ask you to put on your own thinkin" cap-]
...Do you really believe that thousands of elliptical impressions, all in the same direction, would be caused by wind eddies and/or lightning? ...do you believe that all these craters would last for thousands of years, on a coastline, in very fertile land, where they even had to stop the farmers from plowing through them? ...do you think that this land may have been used for agriculture prior to the impacts?
...and, if you delve into the historical accounts, many people saw, and Captain Robert Alexander [of Lincoln, North Carolina] reported seeing several extremely large fires in the air, in November 1811, in fact there were reports of meteoric lights from everywhere at the time, go through the accounts....

...the reason no meteoric material was found in or near [most] the craters, is because the meteors were nothing but ice and sand, from a comet, impacting on frozen ground, instant, steamy, lakes...this is all described in the historical accounts, all the geological information adds up, and this is the only incident available with enough destruction to explain the formation...

...what you will find in textbooks is assumption made to look as if it has been proven, with no room for uncertainty... this is not the way to do science... they have dictated a belief, and are unwilling to question their illogical result...and this is just the Carolina bays... this comet [c/1811f1] caused a major environmental downturn, not just many eruptions, earthquakes, weird weather, wars, plagues, but eventually caused the eruption of Mt. Tambora, in 1815, caused the year without a summer, 1816, and a mini-ice age from 1811-1817... ...and all this has been lost in time, from such a primitive science...

...and, the Holocene impact event was caused by the Moon impacting the Tethys, this is what formed most all the topography in the lower forty-eight, so, there would be no way for these little impressions to be a part of such a massive encounter, and, although it is true a comet hit the Hudson bay 10.5kya, ending the Clovis, emptying out lake Agassiz, causing further sea-level rise, more extinction, loss of more technologies, science, history,... I believe that the land is too prone to the effects of erosion for the craters to have lasted for thousands of years, so, little debate?... ;-]

You stated "this comet [c/1811f1] caused a major environmental downturn, not just many eruptions, earthquakes, weird weather, wars, plagues, but eventually caused the eruption of Mt. Tambora
."

How on Earth can a comet cause all that?? The second world war was started by Japan, not by comet/meteor (c/1811f1)

Sept 3, 2017 18:17:28 GMT ET_Explorer said:

Sept 3, 2017 17:01:56 GMT kalopin said:

[this is where I ask you to put on your own thinkin" cap-]
...Do you really believe that thousands of elliptical impressions, all in the same direction, would be caused by wind eddies and/or lightning? ...do you believe that all these craters would last for thousands of years, on a coastline, in very fertile land, where they even had to stop the farmers from plowing through them? ...do you think that this land may have been used for agriculture prior to the impacts?
...and, if you delve into the historical accounts, many people saw, and Captain Robert Alexander [of Lincoln, North Carolina] reported seeing several extremely large fires in the air, in November 1811, in fact there were reports of meteoric lights from everywhere at the time, go through the accounts....

...the reason no meteoric material was found in or near [most] the craters, is because the meteors were nothing but ice and sand, from a comet, impacting on frozen ground, instant, steamy, lakes...this is all described in the historical accounts, all the geological information adds up, and this is the only incident available with enough destruction to explain the formation...

...what you will find in textbooks is assumption made to look as if it has been proven, with no room for uncertainty... this is not the way to do science... they have dictated a belief, and are unwilling to question their illogical result...and this is just the Carolina bays... this comet [c/1811f1] caused a major environmental downturn, not just many eruptions, earthquakes, weird weather, wars, plagues, but eventually caused the eruption of Mt. Tambora, in 1815, caused the year without a summer, 1816, and a mini-ice age from 1811-1817... ...and all this has been lost in time, from such a primitive science...

...and, the Holocene impact event was caused by the Moon impacting the Tethys, this is what formed most all the topography in the lower forty-eight, so, there would be no way for these little impressions to be a part of such a massive encounter, and, although it is true a comet hit the Hudson bay 10.5kya, ending the Clovis, emptying out lake Agassiz, causing further sea-level rise, more extinction, loss of more technologies, science, history,... I believe that the land is too prone to the effects of erosion for the craters to have lasted for thousands of years, so, little debate?... ;-]

You stated "this comet [c/1811f1] caused a major environmental downturn, not just many eruptions, earthquakes, weird weather, wars, plagues, but eventually caused the eruption of Mt. Tambora
."

How on Earth can a comet cause all that?? The second world war was started by Japan, not by comet/meteor (c/1811f1)

whoa, back-up...1811, not 1944... not stating all wars are caused by the passing of a comet, but when a large enough one does pass, close enough, it sends pressure waves of charged particles disturbing the pineal gland and can cause odd behavior...
...comets are very misunderstood and underestimated...it's not the gravity but the electrical interaction, cosmic rays, from our Sun's solar wind, pushing out, as a wake from a boat... this showed clearly in the recent auroras from Swift-Tuttle, the CME and flares... and every single effect has been realized...look at all the recent eruptions, earthquakes, strange weather, conflicts, and even some plague! ...and all this occurred at the exact moment of passing through the first pressure wave, and will more than likely end at the last, just like in 2012, in 1811,... and the people will all look back and wonder why...

...study Mike Baillie's research, he has mapped out tree ring data, aligning with severe environmental downturns and plagues, with the passing of comets and has found they coincide- MIke Baillie- comets cause plagues?
...and, not just the microbes enter from comets, try and buy some "comet wine", bottle of 1811 vintage sold for 75,000.00 pounds [$97,125.10] , because the iron dust makes for such a good year...1811 comet wine for 75grand! 
...comets affect our environment and Earth's climate in a great manner of ways, not just disturbing the magnetosphere, but sending in all sorts of strange microbes, not just intergalactic, but universal life,... Panspermia...and is what brings in life to newly forming habitable worlds...
...go through, and study all the occurrences from 1811-1817, and study the observations of the witnesses, describing the details in the best manner possible, just needs a better interpretation...
...investigating from this perspective, it becomes very obvious- not just from an impact, but pressure waves,...comets cause earthquakes...

Sept 3, 2017 18:39:21 GMT kalopin said:

Sept 3, 2017 18:17:28 GMT ET_Explorer said:

You stated "this comet [c/1811f1] caused a major environmental downturn, not just many eruptions, earthquakes, weird weather, wars, plagues, but eventually caused the eruption of Mt. Tambora
."

How on Earth can a comet cause all that?? The second world war was started by Japan, not by comet/meteor (c/1811f1)

whoa, back-up...1811, not 1944... not stating all wars are caused by the passing of a comet, but when a large enough one does pass, close enough, it sends pressure waves of charged particles disturbing the pineal gland and can cause odd behavior...
...comets are very misunderstood and underestimated...it's not the gravity but the electrical interaction, cosmic rays, from our Sun's solar wind, pushing out, as a wake from a boat... this showed clearly in the recent auroras from Swift-Tuttle, the CME and flares... and every single effect has been realized...look at all the recent eruptions, earthquakes, strange weather, conflicts, and even some plague! ...and all this occurred at the exact moment of passing through the first pressure wave, and will more than likely end at the last, just like in 2012, in 1811,... and the people will all look back and wonder why...

...study Mike Baillie's research, he has mapped out tree ring data, aligning with severe environmental downturns and plagues, with the passing of comets and has found they coincide- MIke Baillie- comets cause plagues?
...and, not just the microbes enter from comets, try and buy some "comet wine", bottle of 1811 vintage sold for $75,000.00, because the iron dust makes for such a good year...1811 comet wine for 75grand! 
...comets affect our environment and Earth's climate in a great manner of ways, not just disturbing the magnetosphere, but sending in all sorts of strange microbes, not just intergalactic, but universal life,... Panspermia...and is what brings in life to newly forming habitable worlds...
...go through, and study all the occurrences from 1811-1817, and study the observations of the witnesses, describing the details in the best manner possible, just needs a better interpretation...
...investigating from this perspective, it becomes very obvious- not just from an impact, but pressure waves,...comets cause earthquakes...

You stated "that the comet caused the earthquake in New Madrid
"

The fifth paragraph of this article states "The comet was apparently visible during the New Madrid earthquakes in December, 1811. A report on the first steamship to descend the Ohio River as it approached the confluence with the Mississippi River states, "December 18, 1811.—The anniversary of this day the people of Cairo and its vicinity should never forget. It was the coming of the first steamboat to where Cairo now is—the New Orleans, Capt. Roosevelt, Commanding. It was the severest day of the great throes of the New Madrid earthquake; at the same time, a fiery comet was rushing athwart the horizon"


Source

Sept 3, 2017 18:51:55 GMT ET_Explorer said:

Sept 3, 2017 18:39:21 GMT kalopin said:

whoa, back-up...1811, not 1944... not stating all wars are caused by the passing of a comet, but when a large enough one does pass, close enough, it sends pressure waves of charged particles disturbing the pineal gland and can cause odd behavior...
...comets are very misunderstood and underestimated...it's not the gravity but the electrical interaction, cosmic rays, from our Sun's solar wind, pushing out, as a wake from a boat... this showed clearly in the recent auroras from Swift-Tuttle, the CME and flares... and every single effect has been realized...look at all the recent eruptions, earthquakes, strange weather, conflicts, and even some plague! ...and all this occurred at the exact moment of passing through the first pressure wave, and will more than likely end at the last, just like in 2012, in 1811,... and the people will all look back and wonder why...

...study Mike Baillie's research, he has mapped out tree ring data, aligning with severe environmental downturns and plagues, with the passing of comets and has found they coincide- MIke Baillie- comets cause plagues?
...and, not just the microbes enter from comets, try and buy some "comet wine", bottle of 1811 vintage sold for $75,000.00, because the iron dust makes for such a good year...1811 comet wine for 75grand! 
...comets affect our environment and Earth's climate in a great manner of ways, not just disturbing the magnetosphere, but sending in all sorts of strange microbes, not just intergalactic, but universal life,... Panspermia...and is what brings in life to newly forming habitable worlds...
...go through, and study all the occurrences from 1811-1817, and study the observations of the witnesses, describing the details in the best manner possible, just needs a better interpretation...
...investigating from this perspective, it becomes very obvious- not just from an impact, but pressure waves,...comets cause earthquakes...

You stated "that the comet caused the earthquake in New Madrid
"

The fifth paragraph of this article states "The comet was apparently visible during the New Madrid earthquakes in December, 1811. A report on the first steamship to descend the Ohio River as it approached the confluence with the Mississippi River states, "December 18, 1811.—The anniversary of this day the people of Cairo and its vicinity should never forget. It was the coming of the first steamboat to where Cairo now is—the New Orleans, Capt. Roosevelt, Commanding. It was the severest day of the great throes of the New Madrid earthquake; at the same time, a fiery comet was rushing athwart the horizon"


Source

Yes!...see what I mean?...and this is in most accounts...the comet passed over at the same time as the quakes, and left a trail of debris, small asteroids, meteoroids, gravel, sand, ice, spin ice, charged particles, iron dust, microbes,... and one of the meteors was large enough to cause all the destruction, resurface the entire valley, leaving a shockwave pattern emanating out from where the impactites were found, in northeastern Marshall county, Ms....

...the steamboat was stuck up in the Ohio, due to the fact the river had frozen over, and was impassible, until Dec. 16, when all the hot water and a massive wave opened it up. the entire river system was changed, new rivers were formed, old ones were pushed upward and out. you can clearly see where the Mississippi was pushed upward to the northwest, and the Tennessee river was pushed from its original connection at New Madrid, where Reelfoot lake is, up to the Ohio river...

...go ahead and draw out every line in the topography and see how it all reverberates out from center-point, as a huge shockwave pattern...
...and I have proof, in the form of two artifacts, a horseshoe and wagonwheel endcap, man-made objects heated to the point of melt and fused with vitrified sand and impact melt rock... [can you imagine the amount of heat?] ...

...here's a few questions, concerning the YDB, looking for an answer...

Why did the elder dryas grow so much larger than the younger dryas? ,and there is only a layer of iridium, platinum, vitrification,...between?



Why did they recently find dino bones with skin and feathers intact in China? ,and the recent finds in Canada? , and why were red blood cells found in many bones, over twenty-five years ago?



Why is there an entire city buried beneath limestone, melt rock on the Yucatan, above what is known to be Chicxulub "crater"? ...is this the same limestone to form the Ozarks? ...and was it ejected from beneath the Mediterranean?, along with the ejecta blanket, which reached temps upward of 2200*C?



Would any form of life be able to exist beneath the YDB strewn field, which covered a good portion of over four continents?



Why does every single mountainous anomaly have the same westerly projection, all emanating out from the Mediterranean?



Why do all the megalithic structures end abruptly and much smaller stones become the norm?

Why are dino bones more porous? ...was there less gravity during the Pleistocene?

Why are dino bones radiated? ...could it be from the heat of the YDB ejecta blanket?

Why was the north American continent so devoid of life [horses?, pigs?,...]?

Why was it considered to be "the new world"?

Why does every single tectonic interaction reverberate out from the Mediterranean?

What forced the Indian plate into Eurasia?

Why do so many mountains line up between the Americas &Africa, Europe?

Why is the scraping and scarring across the Atlantic still so clearly visible if it drifted over millions of years?

Why did all the megafauna and megaflora disappear at this same moment, at the YDB?

Why are there so many historical accounts of people living much longer and growing much bigger?

Why is there so much obvious misunderstood technology, in everyone's face?

Did the Moon impact this planet 13kya at the YDB?

...could it be that, when the Moon impacted 13kya, it slowed the lithosphere, outer plates and mantle further, in relation to the faster spinning, crystalized inner core?, would this have increased electromagnetism, gravity and the length of the day?, also increasing ground-level radiation?
...would this have made it impossible for the megafauna to exist? ...having developed genetic coding in lesser gravity?

...is the Moon the crystalized iron, inner core of a once habitable planet?
...has it impacted this planet on a somewhat regular basis?
...would a planetary imbalance produce excessive wobble on axis, allowing such an event?

...if you can answer the questions correctly?, it will lead you to this scenario? ;-]

Sept 3, 2017 20:20:03 GMT kalopin said:

...here's a few questions, concerning the YDB, looking for an answer...

Why did the elder dryas grow so much larger than the younger dryas? ,and there is only a layer of iridium, platinum, vitrification,...between?



Why did they recently find dino bones with skin and feathers intact in China? ,and the recent finds in Canada? , and why were red blood cells found in many bones, over twenty-five years ago?



Why is there an entire city buried beneath limestone, melt rock on the Yucatan, above what is known to be Chicxulub "crater"? ...is this the same limestone to form the Ozarks? ...and was it ejected from beneath the Mediterranean?, along with the ejecta blanket, which reached temps upward of 2200*C?



Would any form of life be able to exist beneath the YDB strewn field, which covered a good portion of over four continents?



Why does every single mountainous anomaly have the same westerly projection, all emanating out from the Mediterranean?



Why do all the megalithic structures end abruptly and much smaller stones become the norm?

Why are dino bones more porous? ...was there less gravity during the Pleistocene?

Why are dino bones radiated? ...could it be from the heat of the YDB ejecta blanket?

Why was the north American continent so devoid of life [horses?, pigs?,...]?

Why was it considered to be "the new world"?

Why does every single tectonic interaction reverberate out from the Mediterranean?

What forced the Indian plate into Eurasia?

Why do so many mountains line up between the Americas &Africa, Europe?

Why is the scraping and scarring across the Atlantic still so clearly visible if it drifted over millions of years?

Why did all the megafauna and megaflora disappear at this same moment, at the YDB?

Why are there so many historical accounts of people living much longer and growing much bigger?

Why is there so much obvious misunderstood technology, in everyone's face?

Did the Moon impact this planet 13kya at the YDB?

...could it be that, when the Moon impacted 13kya, it slowed the lithosphere, outer plates and mantle further, in relation to the faster spinning, crystalized inner core?, would this have increased electromagnetism, gravity and the length of the day?, also increasing ground-level radiation?
...would this have made it impossible for the megafauna to exist? ...having developed genetic coding in lesser gravity?

...is the Moon the crystalized iron, inner core of a once habitable planet?
...has it impacted this planet on a somewhat regular basis?
...would a planetary imbalance produce excessive wobble on axis, allowing such an event?

...if you can answer the questions correctly?, it will lead you to this scenario? ;-]

What is this have to do with "Mississippi embayment... [...and comet c/1811f1...]" 
Its totally irrevelant to what you are talking about in your original post.

All these  "Why's" doesn't connect with your original theory of comet c/1811f1) and Mississippi embayment, that you claim happened.

Well this has all been fun  .But it's time to go the way of other forums and stop you're crackpot ideas. The Admin HERE said it best.